- Financial Times has released more information on JPM Chase's dalliances. Updated 5-18-12
- Financial Times kicked off the "Class Warfare Election" back in December, 2011.
- Deja vu - the tsunami thread reached few of the intended people first time around and now it's being re-written by others.
- Here's something that makes any parent's heart skip a beat with pride
- Obama's campaign is underway. The start is this video to be aired this Wednesday.
A thread that wandered into a rewarding series of thoughtful posts
This thread began as a comment on an opinion article by William Kristof of the NY Times. It is no longer that. The community discussion has contributed some grander ideas that should be assigned precedence.
NY Times Aug 27, 2011, “Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?”
And, of course, mentioning the unemployed should bring up sympathy for the unfortunates with the hope that something could be done to help them. After all they are victims, are they not? Through no fault of their own, pushed aside as expendable, then told that their jobs would never come back. Where does that leave them?
The first response which called the Fed to task for its misleading assumptions and pretenses all generated out of its own mid-directed self-importance is hereby erased and we'll seque into the community discussion that resulted without attempting to classify it.
All are invited to read on and hope it continues to reward.

The Wandering, Rewarding Thread is Now in Primary Links
The thread is very engaging and for the time being it will be posted in the Primary Links.
The Double-Edged Sword Has Entered The Arena
The "Jobs Plan" fascinates me because it's genuinely lame. I've listened to callers-in all morning. NO ONE wants tax cut rewards, NO ONE want job creation, they have seen the current performance level and declare it incompetent. They want-- job RECOVERY. Further, I heard it said well today-- we all know that jobs were terminated 3 years ago to create a corporate cash bubble absconded by management. Almost ALL callers insist that corporate America pay the pay to job restoration. You expect a big NO from Congress Republicans-- a death throe to the next election. You can expect arm-twisting from big business to bury the concept. 100 million families won't, can't and can easily unite using Don't Tread On Me as concrete that utterly dissolves the Tea Party.
Mighty clever IF it resulted in jobs but it's won't. A reminder that we can easily predict increases in foreclosures into the winter season and a final failure of PIIGS nations. That's a sword that will hack ferociously through stalemate politics and likely stale politicians.
Who's in Charge?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/at-t-seeks-t-mobile-approval-wi...
I think extortion of the US government should be a prosecutable criminal offense...but it sure shows us who is in charge.
The President should be asking AT&T if they enjoy doing business in the United States and how well AT&T enjoys US intellectual property protection.
He's got the job until January '13.
We'll either have a progressive or a lunatic to replace him.
The choice is yours.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." -- Sinclair Lewis
"When fascism comes to America, ..." - its already here
This thread is packed with wisdom and insight. Yes, the human race has a hit an equilibrium point, vacillating between oligarchy and representative government. The main change we have seen of late is that wealth is concentrating at higher and higher levels and the very small group that compose the top 1% or more like the top 0.1 percent have an increasingly greater grip of control on governments.
It is apparent that these self appointed rulers want to move the US and the rest of the democratic nations towards a growing neo-fascism or authoritarian "capitalist" society where they use every method known to man to suppress the voice of those not in the their club of guerrillas who eat all the bananas in the jungle at the expense of everyone else.
The human species has such potential when you look at the best part of the human heart but when you look at those at the "top" of the food chain, you begin to realize how sick the species has become, self destructive, filled with greed, deception and violence, the human ego at its worst, driven by fear and illusion.
The keys to stability and survival are as follows:
Transparency
Integrity
Trust
Happy People (distribution of wealth)
Love
Vision
Creativity
Peace
Until the so called "leaders" stop focusing on how to get re-elected using dirty money from heartless, nationless, corporations and the very small elite that runs them and start focusing on the above factors for happiness and survival, the kind of change we are going to see is chaotic. Well, so is nature and whatever happens, that is the way it is and so I'll focus on just accepting what is gracefully as Kate suggests and Jimmie Stewart too.
Sinclair Lewis
Thanks djrick. I didn't know Sinclair Lewis said that. Very appropriate today.
He Also Wrote The Book- Oil!
Sinclair Lewis also wrote: Oil! Which was made into a movie recently called: There will be blood. It's the story of oil exploitation not exploration and how we were set up for a screwing from the beginning.
Sinclair Lewis
HE was my kind of writer!
When I showed interest in his writing at the Library, pre- and early teen years the librarian reported my interest to my mother, who discussed it openly at the dinner table, assured me it was perfectly all right to go on reading Lewis or anything else in the library. If it wasn't fit to be read, it wouldn't be on the shelves.
It may have been the librarian's concern that drove me to read everything of Lewis's available. . Who knows why? Out of spite toward her? Hoping to irritate someone who ratted on me? I was the one who benefitted no end from an infinitesmal event that shouldn't have been noticed. He was. . . and remains! . . one of our giants in literature.
By the time I'd returned from my long stay abroad with my grandparents, things like that never again impressed me.
Do they memorialize the man in the Twin Cities area, dj?
Asheville, N.C. venerates the original Thomas Wolfe.
By Your Own Bootstraps?
Hi All,
I am trying to get caught up on some reading here, just great commentary by all. O&G, facinating story about your young years, your mom was a wise woman :) / and VL, I have never read Oil, thanks for the reminder, I am going to put it on the "next to read" list. Oh, and O&G, Sinclair was born in Sauk Center, MN, about 100 miles north west of the twin cities (I had to look this up). The city does have his childhood home set up as a museum.
Contempt breeds contempt. Anybody know if Perry is looking for Fed money for the Texas wildfires...and to help rebuild those destroyed homes? Or are they planning to just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. How about Vitter's LA folks...turning down FEMA funds too?
Enjoy the fire as it burns down the country, because as long as everyone wants to play partisan politics they get closer and closer to the edge, and they will fall over.
Words and deeds not matching-
" Anybody know if Perry is looking for Fed money for the Texas wildfires...and to help rebuild those destroyed homes?"
Yep. It goes with the territory of being a hypocrite.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/
2011/09/perry-asks-for-federal-funds-to-fight-wildfires-after-slashing-state-fire-budget/
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/08/17/297846/
rick-perry-requested-additional-federal-funds-for-the-
medicaid-program-he-considers-a-ponzi-scheme/
http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/
campaign-rhetoric-obscures-facts-about-federal-money-172606.html
Crowd cheers for the uninsured to die
...this exemplifies why my view has become so cynical:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/audience-tea-party-debate-cheers-leav...
1 John 3:17-18
"If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." 1 John 3:17-18
Libertarian turn to narcissism
It was interesting to note that Ron Paul (whom I respect but do not support) seemed very put off by that reaction. In its better form, libertarianism posits that, absent government intervention, communities of people will willingly work together to supply the needs of people such as the one hypothesized in this question. However, under the madness of the tea party, what would have been once an ideal of noble intentions has degenerated into the worst kind of social Darwinism, a social Darwinism prominent among biological creationists, ironically.
Social contract theorists, in their more cynical variations from Glaucon in the Republic to Hobbes in the Enlightenment, believe that human beings are prone to violence and beastly savagery, and that only laws, threats, and social myths can force us to act in a humane way. If any of them had seen the Tea Party debate, they would not have been surprised.
If there is a more optimistic social contract theorist, it might be John Rawls, whose proposed antidote to the tyranny of greed is to think from behind a "veil of ignorance," or to put it more simply, to design public policies by always asking oneself the question "Is there any given person I might be for whom this policy is deterimental?" If I seem to simplify, it is to make the point that he made that laws should be made which extend the most privileges and liberties to the most people without any undue impact on some basic liberties of anyone else.
To cheer for the misfortune of another is to fail to realize it doesn't take much for misfortune to befall oneself.
We might think of Mark Twain's Prince and Pauper. The outcome is the same.
We might think of the Golden Rule or a host of other proclamations from the world's great religions. No religion has ever lasted too long before someone realizes that any universe that has the spiritual dimension is a universe in which all life is interconnected and therefore where we are all our brother's keepers.
Or we might be slightly technical and think of Rawls's own source material: Immanuel Kant, whose first categorical imperative is that we ought to behave in such a way that if everyone acted accordingly there would be no contradiction. Kant himself saw the outcome of this way of thinking and near the end of his life, around 1800, became one of the earliest proponents of what we now call a welfare state: To the Prussian leaders he advocated taxes on the most successful businessmen so that goods could be provided to widows, orphans, and disabled. Kant died a liberal writing tracts with titles like "Perpetual World Peace" fourteen years before Karl Marx was born.
The notion is not foreign in the writings of Thomas Aquinas, either, who has two reasons for not drinking the tea: First, he interpreted a passage in the New Testament to mean that the only reason anyone is ever permitted by God to be wealthy is so that he can give his wealth away to the poor. Second, he wrote that in any economic situation in which property has become concentrated into the hands of a few to the point that it is impossible for the poor to provide a basic sustenance for themselves, the poor have a basic duty: Steal. Just take what you need from the rich. According to Thomas, that isn't theft, that's just what you have to do.
The irony of this is that most tea partiers are not rich. Some of the tea party people I know don't have health insurance. Some of them have been living on credit cards and have been jobless for a long time. When they cheer for the death of the uninsured, it isn't even an act of killing the Other; it's an act of killing the self.
A theologian recently remarked that the falling man on 9/11---the famous photograph of people leaping off the top of the Twin Towers rather than be consumed by flames while suffocating---was the first concrete sign of mankind's despair in the 21st century. That word always accompanies suicide: Despair. What kind of movement is it that thrives on killing itself? These tea party groups would happily destroy the very system which allows them to be who they are; what diabolical architects have managed to convince so many people, people who may have been otherwise genuinely good and compassionate, to cheer at the deaths of their own? Has our political system become so maddening that this despair is now all we have?
If you are thinking about the Koch Brothers, you are thinking of one symbol of a deeper problem. Over a hundred years ago the English writer G K Chesterton suggested that capitalism itself could do nothing in the end but bring people to such despair that they would rely on ever bigger corporations and ever bigger bureaucracies to save them. Capitalism has built within it, he thought, the need to reduce men to materialists, atheists, and hallow shells whose new religion would be the ever more efficient units of utilitarianism and hedonism sold by profiteers. And that could ultimately lead to a generation of despair: With nothing greater to look to we can look only to our own selfishness, our own greed, our own political vengeance, our own wars. But in despair what can man do but seek to escape, even if it means killing himself.
When the tea party cheers for the death of the most vulnerable, I am sad for them because they are only destroying themselves. They are filled with anger at themselves and now have no where left to go but to try to take a whole country down with them. This isn't libertarianism anymore. This is narcissism masquerading as liberty. This is despair pretending to be freedom. This is self-destruction disguised as patriotism.
If there was ever a time for some hope and some change, now is that time. But we've already heard that mantra.
Makes One Wonder...
"When the tea party cheers for the death of the most vulnerable, I am sad for them because they are only destroying themselves. They are filled with anger at themselves and now have no where left to go but to try to take a whole country down with them."
Tea Party, Libertarian Movement... call it what you will but it predicates on two principles: fear and ignorance. I am aware of another movement that donned brown uniforms in the 1930s for the same reasons. The fuel remains the same-- blame others for your own failing. In Michigan, groups are well-organized but still haven't grasped the basic concept of a sub-economy to override the macro-economy that funds their anarchy but won't feed them. Everyday now, I hear about someone else falling off the wagon that keeps dragging this dead paper-pushing-premised economy around. They are the pathetic ones because they kept their heads in the sand out of fear and paranoia and now are faced with-- change they used to not believe in. Now they pray for it but are clueless about what change really is.
It will be interesting to see the Tea Party members illuminate as we get into the true election year. I think- fear and ignorance will be switched out for embarassment. They call Obama- Hitler, but somebody funds their movement and plans their activities. Hitler wasn't anyone special until the Nazi Movement raised him up. Things are marginally different today. It remains obvious that somebody disgusting will appear in leadership over these fools. Then these "grassroots" bumpkins will recognize that they aren't the winds of change... they're the puppets of Big Oil or Big Military or Mega Corporation or some form of combined Uber Power and the "change" preached is yet another attempt to conquer the world.
Watching the Dow these days. Amid news that should be trashing all things financial, the Dow rises even as B of A severs 30,000 from it's personnel ranks. They'll be out of business by Christmas. Citi isn't far behind. That moves Chase and Goldman Sachs into contention as "institutions" more powerful than the Central Banks of Europe and still hooked intraveneously to our Fed printing presses but not to the Main Street economy. If you're watching the "metals" battle, we retrace in chunks and then move up several consecutive days. That's Big Money causing a retraction while buying up the sales at lesser prices. The far-reaching plan will be to own enough to swing the price substantially enough to push out individuals until the banks mentioned above control the commodity. That puts two "banks" in control of the currency and commodities and bond issues and stocks by the same devices. None of which are validated just used. Know that "technical buying" was used Monday and Tuesday this week to stave off a sell-off. "Technical" refers to mechanical or a device (computer) that buys what it sold but doesn't pay in cash, it pushes the funding date forward. Therefore, what was sold-off Monday/Tuesday got an IOU.
These two seemingly separate aspects-- a funded Tea Party and manipulated financial sector are parts of a larger movement. I know many old money decendents and they are no less suppressed than the rest. Some have lost more and fallen further while holding a good front. When it is taken away this broadly, there can be only one nefarious purpose.
A product of the environment. .
After all, isn't that what we are?
Live in trees or caves, there's no need for fine clothes or gourmet cooking. Live in huts built in uninhabitated forests, there's no need for landlords, bankers or mortgages. Live in the modern world and we need to show our success: dining out when we can't afford it; growing luxurius lawns in the desert; dressing up to attend functions in which we have no interest; committing to a mortgage on a house we can't afford. . We are being led into impossible lives by those whose sole purpose is to delude us in order to defraud us and strip us of whatever of worth we possess. That may be the start.
Then, there are the marvels of technology flouting a grandiose, pompous, unrealistic and unbalanced world on an everday basis, our wants have been teased with something grander than possibility.
A family of five or six squeezed into a cramped house barely adequate for three watches a TV program with the family head earning a living at a job no different than the real-life audience family; but, the TV family has a spacious, luxurious house, no bills, no problems with neighbors, or politicians, or taxes; and the real-life family turns off the TV and goes to sleep dreaming of what? Compared to what could be if they lived in TV-land?
If they're lucky they have a PC which delivers them to another fantasy land, full of games in exotic lands in which the underachieving children can realize the gratification of being winners. And, then they grow up and go out into the real world. . .To sit behind a desk and play real world games? Can they look on themselves as winners?
There's always the PC-land option of hiding behind another personna. Who's to know? In reality, I may be a disappointed woman of thirty or forty, a lousy cook, unable to find a man worth holding onto, angry at the world and attempting to spread discontent and disillusion in a PC community whose inhabitants I perceive to be more successful at everything but much less deserving. I challenge anyone to unmask me!
And, beneath all this, the person realizes everything they see or experience in life is deception. It can all be ridiculed and rejected. Laws, mores, conduct . . all deception to suit those who set the rules. How do people maintain contact with the real world? . . . See Nicomachus's mob response to Ron Paul. . . or, his citing the mob frenzy urging the jumper on to suicide. Is this the new, real world we're being led to and can we be proud of following that lead?
Nothing but delusion, from the first time we're told by the family or the teacher, that we can be anything we want if we work hard enough. So, if we grow up wanting to be governor and eventually become mayor, is that success or failure? What if we have the same dream and never get into politics? What kind of social response does that prepare us for? A start with graffiti and progressing to ever more impactful destruction?
The Tea Party mob is a sign of the times. The combination of Nicomachus's "social contract" and ComoKate's reigning "technological society". The world in all its fraud and glitsy glory is introduced to us and we're expected to work within that system, when we may be no better equipped to handle anything beyond the hut in the forest, or perhaps something just slightly more advanced. What can we handle? Something between that primitive set up and the reality we have today?
Wherever that is, we need to redirect our society toward something rooted in reality not fantasy. How do you do that? And how do we determine which of these life styles is reality and which fantasy?
Does the law of the jungle, cave and tree-dwellers still persist, concealed by tuxes and bow ties, evening gowns and sparkling jewelry, chauffered limos and grand dinners?
A Tree Grows In America
The trick is to not have your face exposed and out front of the grill when the car hits the ditch. Better to have jumped en route and patched the bumps and bruises.
LOOK at the Dow even as two French banks are down-graded and the pending "next" bail-out solution somehow fares poorly. Italian bonds tanked. How much clearer does it get? If you're a CEO, CFO and any other dumb acronym associated with administration, paper pushing, number crunching and button pushing... you're not smarter than the rest of us-- you're screwed.
46 million impoverished people with the greatest acceleration occurring since 2008. More than 10% of our population and-- still growing.
A voiceless world
We are always looking into the Past, because today public intellectuals, free thinkers are disappearing, destroyed by self-interests. They don't speak to power anymore. They don't report injustice and abuses anymore..
How can we forget the novelist Émile Zola and his "J'accuse"?
The World Has A Different Voice
The world's voice is not disappearing, it's re-engineering. The European Union is going down for the final count. New nations will emerge. It gives the last set of new nations in the east a new chance for footing. Old regimes are floundering... Russia, China, India, America and others. Old-- due to stale ideals that no longer apply to or have the respect of- both citizens and criminals. You don't buy Change and you can't particularly get ready for it... you react and it causes Change. 100 million families here in America are about to react. They have no support in Congress so they will get rid of it and contemplate replacement or revision. They either have piss-poor jobs or multiple jobs or no job and are tired of that condition. In Reality, there is no difference at all in being hired to sweep the floors or be the Chief Executive Officer in a business somebody else raised from nothing to something. In both cases, the job was carved before you got there and going through the motions of a routine sets you up for compensation. You are only 'talented' if you start something from scratch and turn it into something, all on your own. Privilege creates the illusion of talent--- but Time validates it. All the talented people now are unemployed and off doing things talented people do when given the Time. Crooks operate in complex venues sucking the life out of them. Then they dissolve. That's where WE are today.
Talent doesn't need a voice, just a venue. When tradition and routine dissolve, change creates venues for talent. When you can't speak here, you speak there and when you're tired of hearing this, you lend an ear for that. If people want to hear what you have to say, they will seek you out and listen.
What Who
The world's voice is dominated by media networks and technologized communication in wich critical voices are drowned.
We are bewitched by the siren song of Change...but What does change mean? Who will change the world?
Revolutionaries?
Political Figures?
Creators of technology?
Young thinkers and scientists?
Who?
"Immutable Change", saldeck
Change is not necessarily something for the better or worse. . though some people hug polarities as a constant - such as expecting change to be consistently bad. . or always for the better, whichever. . . and they actually work for that end.
I referred to Manfred Max-Neef, the Chilean economist, el gigante barbado, on occasion. Most of his work was with the underprivileged under the auspices of the UN or local governments and his writings were usually directed to specific groups, conferences and the like. . . a few papers here and there. His limited number of books, very interesting bearing stinging messages, are not best sellers. To me they're treasures. Apparently, to others, too. Google some of his books on Amazon. The prices of his books, second hand, will stun you!
His work with organizations was a necessity since his outlook was one of questioning whether what he saw was for the betterment of society. Those organizations don't pay well for questioning whether growth was advancing civilization, social development or simply bigger numbers. An economist doesn't harbor such thoughts and end up with a large bank account.
As a matter of fact he was teaching at Berkeley during the early sixties during the fashionable student protests and riots days, and I suspect he couldn't conceal his sympathies for the students' causes. This may have roused an anti-Max-Neef movement among faculty. His next teaching job, to my knowledge, was in Massachusetts about a decade later.
He reports that most of his earlier years were spent trying to find something constant and exclusively a human trait - something to distinguish us from other animal life. He had a running list of failures. Everything he considered eventually lost out when he found other animal life with the same talents.
Finally, in a discussion, his father threw out the suggestion to try Stupidity. And he has been following that human trait ever since with quite some success! No other animal life displays the characteristic as prominently as do humans.
In one of his books, "Human Scale Development", the last Chapter is entitled "A Stupid Way of Life". At this point inhis career, he may be devoted to that subject's prospects.
He makes the point that we have extensive studies in specialized fields dealing with human life, habits and endeavours which point out the wrong way to go about doing something. And, every time we run into a problem we solve it by doing something intellect dictates we should not!
So, there's one studious outlook on what change will bring about.
I don't believe we can predict what change will be brought on next except to say that the dominant types will try their best to see to it - if they retain power - that the new system will not deprive them of the opportunity to continue their dominance and continue enriching themselves at the expense of the rest of society. To date, except for some setbacks during the Depression, they have not lost a full point at once. The score must be millions to zero. Perhaps the lower social strata may have gained a tie for half or quarter point on occasion. That might have added up to something. But, whatever the advantage that little bit might have provided, it's soon given back.
Do you recall one of the world's richest men, Warren Buffet, declared at the beginning of the current crisis, "If this is class warfare, we're winning." Which means that back then three and a half or four years ago, the groundwork was being set for the next round. . in their favor, of course, without anyone even knowing precisely what the next adventure would bring.
We go back again to the human flaw of the selective memory painted by the fantasy beliefs we cherish. . . characterized by the dream that this time it will be different. Maybe. . but,the odds are against it.
So which among your groups would you favor to prevail or to bring on change?
Trying to Change the Immutable
Many people react to change initiatives like they were poison.
Immutable laws prevent Change. But..the only immutable law of life is Change. And, as Einstein said, the world, as we have created it, is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.
I believe in the Strenght of Thinking.
I believe in the Strenght of Education. Education is Power.
Don't let kids grow up unable to think freely, dumbed down by electronic toys. World's Change is in their hands.
It's too late now.
A Change Will Do You Good (Even If You Don't Like It)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Economics-Unmasked-Max-Neef-NEW-Paperback-/22081...
That's a listing for Max-Neef's latest book. Sold in the UK, you also need the seller's permission to bid on it.
"Do you recall one of the world's richest men, Warren Buffet, declared at the beginning of the current crisis, "If this is class warfare, we're winning." Which means that back then three and a half or four years ago, the groundwork was being set for the next round. . in their favor, of course, without anyone even knowing precisely what the next adventure would bring."
They always think they're winning, it's what fuels those incredible egos. Meet them personally, banter a while and you get boggled at how they achieved anything at all. CHANGE... relative to this statement is well-understood. It takes great preparation and effort to divert random Fate to controlled Order. A constant tug-o-war with Chaos ensues. The best part is-- all we have to do is to ignore the game and focus on the diversion direction for a new vein of-- Chaos. All the world's currencies are trapped in the markets, controlled by super computers who sway the range of play as to never let anyone quite win or go out of business. There's a rhythm to it but the lyrics stink and most of us hate dancing to it. That's the key.
So many young people today have incredible talents and can translate creativity in marvelous ways. Let me paint a big picture for you. There is a surplus of MBA. Finance & Law degrees. They represent a type of mindset that dominates the field of endeavor but don't create anything tangible and so, have little substance. There is a great emptiness in all types of creative outlets that suggest- something unique or totally marvelous with staying power will divert everyone's attention. When it does, the control game loses it's audience and thus- it's psychotic thrill. If the new uniqueness holds, the controllers will begin in-fighting and devouring each other in an effort to control the ever-eroding playing field.
The problem is-- this game, this time, is far bigger and far-more reaching then all others. In the 80's I read about big corporations imploding when they grew too big and too disconnected to remain viable. It should occur to you that we can all see this happening now, especially as common workers exhausted from the constant stress are falling away. Another thing that occurs is-- the elimination of currency because of (in today's dynamics--) manipulation. It's currency, it's supposed to flow to keep society moving. Both of these "changes" are academic. They happen by absense of something that is critical to the continuation of cycles and arcs in change aspects of every cycle.
Change is inevitable because all things are cyclical, not linear.
Three things
First Thing: To change the school. It is to be transformed.
It must prepare a cultural ground for change.
No more a culture that worships money and greed
No more a culture of making money from money.
Second thing:To forget that scrawl called Laffer Curve,a disgrace that still inspires global economic policies
Third thing: To reconsider Adam Smith Theory of Moral Sentiments.
ça suffit!
Edward Rutherfurd
I agree V_L. Change always was and will always be. Sometimes you have time to plan and sometimes we don't and you try to be fast on your feet.
I've read a few of Edward Rutherfurd's novels. He tends to write historical fiction that covers several fictional families over the course of several thousand years of real history. My favorite was a novel called "Sarum" which covered several families in the Salisbury region of England over thousands of years. Fortunes were made and lost and made again over that time period. Some lost almost everything during the Roman occupation while others adapted and thrived. Families that were very poor and quarantined themselves during the plague thrived when the plague ended.
The point was life goes on. Men and women still made babies and enjoyed a good meal (when available) while trying to provide something useful for their community. The farmer that could provide fat chickens and eggs was able to hire the carpenter that could provide expert repairs for his barn. The carpenter was able to procure the services of the woman that could provide him with medicine when he got an infection in his hand. All of these people were able to provide compensation to a large but even tempered constable that could peacefully resolve domestic disputes but strong enough to destroy highwaymen.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Rutherfurd
Educated locally and at Cambridge University and Stanford Business School, where he was a Sloan scholar, he worked in political research, bookselling and publishing. After numerous attempts to write books and plays, he finally abandoned his career in the book trade in 1983, and returned to his childhood home to write Sarum, a historical novel with a ten-thousand year story, set in the area around the ancient monument of Stonehenge and Salisbury.
Four years later, when the book was published, it became an instant international best-seller, remaining 23 weeks on the New York Times Bestseller List. Since then he has written five more best-sellers: Russka, a novel of Russia; London; The Forest, set in England's New Forest which lies close by Sarum, and two novels, Dublin: Foundation (The Princes of Ireland) and Ireland: Awakening (The Rebels of Ireland), which cover the story of Ireland from the time just before Saint Patrick to the twentieth century, and finally New York as of 2009.
His books have been translated into twenty languages. Rutherfurd settled near Dublin, Ireland in the early 1990s, but currently divides his time between Europe and North America.[2]
Rutherfurd’s novels chronicle the history of settlements through their development up to modern day, mixing fictional characters and families with real people and events—a kind of historical fiction pioneered by James Michener.
Our Future Lies In Our Grasp Of The Past
My daughter's novel changed a lot once she added historically accurate references. It's always exciting to hear... "I didn't know that happened then!"
10,000 year old accountings would be about right- right now. This is a BIG shift. It was then, too.
Grace
We're all pretty much in agreement that "change" is inevitable. I've often observed in my 51 years, and I'm sure Old&Gray has more so, that while technology often changes and advances, human nature stays, well, pretty much the same. We are in the midst of enormous change going on in the world, the death of old/birth of new economic realities, and as many have noted and I can fully attest to , death brings with it the stages of grief, while birth pangs are themselves exceedingly painful no matter what the outcome. VL you have often described that paradigms are changing and you are correct ! As our economic model is changing, those who in the past have been most amply rewarded at the expense of others, are currently screaming the loudest that their faded glory isn't fading at all ! Kill the messenger(s)! Silence him/her ! However, change marches on, leaving those unwilling to do so, in the dust. The most successful creatures on this earth are those species whose tenacious acceptance of change have allowed them to adapt to eons of changing variables.I believe I once read a quote, attributed to Jimmy Stewart, that, "the secret to happiness is to accept change gracefully". Happiness is the gift of grace.
Not Who-- What.
Who will change the world? No one.
WHAT will change the world? Inevitability.
Indeed, control freaks have us quite suppressed but... what fun will it be when we stop struggling and perhaps-- conform or submit? The rush is in the fight, not the mundane existence of black and white. A zillion dollar bet says-- as soon as complacency rears up, they in-fight to the death.
The Dow had a great day today. Nothing that occurred today was great, good, fair, mediocre, tepid, even lackluster. Nothing occurred today. No job creation. No sales boon. No gold rush. No invention worth crowing over. It has to make sense to you... we are only about "financial" now. That means the rest of us are losers and can settle into a sub-economy and let them have their way.
I don't give it til the end of October with self-destruction.
A Hurricane Headed for Scotland:
Tropical Storm Katia strengthened into Hurricane status yesterday morning. It is currently on course to affect Scotland, after taking an unanticipated course change ( which kept it more south than than previous models thought, hence it's regaining strength in the warmer waters).
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/311309
A hurricane headed for Scotland...yep...no climate change going on what-so-ever....mmmhmmm...
We need, for many reasons, to dissolve our dependency on fossil fuels.
We are all interconnected on this planet
http://www.irishweatheronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MIMIC-TPW.gif
(Katia moving across North Atlantic, expecting landfall in the UK on Monday)
As a world, as nations, as peoples, as societies, we are all interconnected; one body with many parts/systems. Yet most people still insist upon poking out their own eyes, expecting no consequence, further damage, to the body as a whole. There are those who even insist upon poking out the eyes of others oblivious that damage to one part of a system , even when not their own, is damage to all.
Critical thinking is often confused as, by those incapable of it, being "criticism".
And so it goes-
Weather
The following link to "Boat Nerd" is interesting. Click on the News Channel link on the home page and you will find a daily "Today in Great Lakes History". A couple of things from September 12:
"After an extremely dry summer, forests were burning all over the Great lakes region in the autumn of 1871. The smoke from these fires affected navigation. Newspaper reports stated that on 12 September 1871, 38 ships and four strings of barges anchored near Point Pelee on Lake Erie due to the restricted visibility caused by the smoke from the forest fires."
"On 12 September 1903, the R E SCHUCK (steel propeller bulk freighter, 416 fott, 4713 gross tons) was launched by the American Ship Building Company (Hull #327) at Lorain, Ohio for the Gilchrist Transportation Company. She was purchased by the Interlake Steamship Co. (Pickands, Mather & Co., Mgrs.) in 1913, and renamed b.) HYDRUS. However, she foundered in the "Big Storm" of 1913, on Lake Huron with all hands; 24 lives were lost."
http://www.boatnerd.com/
Winds and warnings in Ireland
Scroll down the page and check out the winds/surfs hitting Ireland today:
http://www.irishweatheronline.com/
I'm not sure what the building codes are there ? I know in Hurricane prone areas of the U.S. , more stringent building codes have been enacted.
http://www.weather.com/weather/hurricanecentral/article/katia-remnants-h...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_6uds1pSCBo (<----video of gale force winds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMbQ_mwB40&feature=related ( <---I would *not* be on that boat!)
Change I can believe in
I personally believe that fossil fuels contribute to climate change. Imo, the only way for the issue to be addressed is to incorporate emissions into a world trade policy. If the US takes the lead for curbing emissions here yet continues to import from countries that don't care then that would be the final nail in our economy.
It may be too late-
I've become very cynical Neoh. I believe we live in one of the biggest "don't care" nations in the world. You and I, and everyone on this board, have witnessed a profound change in social expectations, levels of human decency, in the last few decades. An entire nation has been groomed to think of "me first" in all aspects. People were buying 4,000+ sq foot homes ( for families of 2 or 3) and Hummers,building pools and artificial lakes in the desert; damned be the environment! I have no doubt if homes could be used as ATM's again, we would still be seeing the same behavior, and we are watching the deserts burn.
For decades scientists have tried to warn of impending dangers to the climate/environment if profound changes were not made. They were, in retrospect, appearing to use rather conservative models on the level of impact these changes could produce. It was 90 degrees here yesterday, close to it again again today, and anticipated yet again tomorrow, when we are normally at 73 degrees at this time of year . The smell of smoke has hung in the hazy air from wildfires in our northern woods. A hurricane is headed for Scotland. More tropical depressions are forming off the coast of Africa while Texas still burns. I believe we have reached the saturation point and we are witnessing a rapid change in climate patterns.This will be a profound game changer not only for world economies, but for the very basics of life such as food and water supplies.
I have noticed fleeting articles regarding the massive construction around the world of what essentially appear to be luxury "bunkers". I've also noticed that "investors" have begun to drive up the prices of farm land in the northern parts of the U.S. to the point that local farmers have grown angry, unable to afford land in what was once their local domain. I don't believe people , sane people, expend large amounts of time, energy and monies into nonsense. I do believe a lot of people in the top 2% realize the impact sudden climate change will have and are making sure, as they always do, that they will have more than what is necessary for survival. They are known for not sharing.
We are seeing scientists, scientists, being ridiculed and dismissed in public discourse. I suppose it isn't wise to shout that the ship is sinking, or let anyone else sound the alarm, if your plans are to confiscate all the lifeboats-
And while all of this goes on, their purchased puppets of politics continue to provide a circus of distraction to the people grown fat on dollar menu items. No wonder Nero fiddled; no one cared to listen.
We forget the past only by choice!
You might say we look at the past with sightless eyes. With a little longing, perhaps? Certainly with less than the bitter realism we face.
When we're younger there's a "romance" to the past that might better be described as fantasy. We see it with a selective vision; without experiencing the actual pain, inconvenience or discomfort. And as for changing circumstances. . . ? We know the end of our fairy tale will be grand.
As for the reality of the past. . think of Robin Hood in the forest with a thousand or more followers crowded into a few acres, limited dietary provisions, unsanitary conditions, no resources, poorly equipped, confronting trained, well armed adversaries with the law and the sovereign might of the state squarely behind them. . . And, the unwashed masses prevail?
Think of pre-industrial revolution days when a worker was no more than a body tending to a daily job. No representation, laws skewed to favor the investor and business classes since they bring "Development and Growth" to society and labor is no more than a faceless tool, expendable and replaceable in an instant.
You and I could have been part of that unwashed mass back then, saldeck. Without a champion, without a future in any way unlike our yesterdays or todays.
Today we can read and write, communicate, look into the past, know what Aristotle thought, know something of how he lived, know that he did exist! We do have the opportunity to read and try to understand Zola. Whether we'll ever have the occasion in our busy lives to spend an adequate amount of time understanding Zola is another matter. And, whatever we learn from the effort, how do we make use of that understanding today?
Who has the capacity to translate the relevance and will we listen or even recognize it when we hear it?
To most of the busy people, questions such as these are extraneous, philosophical, without relevance.
We still have public intellectuals but the noise and hubris of the majority drowns out the message.
Want a modern day philosopher? - in economics? - Google the "gigante barbado" from Chile, Artur Manfred Max-Neef. He was mentioned in the "tsunami". The "barefoot economist" is still at work. You might find attention thrown his way. He just had another book published, this time by a commercial publisher. (He's a young fellow - not yet 80!)
See if you can find his "El desarrollo de la medida humana" or dig into his "threshold hypothesis" - it's an expansion of the simple concept of a productive life gradually fading off into insignificance, something each developing culture fights every day of its prominence. Try his "From the Outside Looking in" for starters. Must be available somewhere on the net for downloading. Whatever, don't try to buy it, the price is riduculously high! It was published by the Dag Hammersjold Foundation.
There are others. But,the majority of us are trying to provide something grand, chasing after the "greater glories" our cultures promise us, that carrot and stick which is no more than a delusion that can't be delivered.
Once in several generations, things get so bad that someone rises up out of the ranks and preaches something that makes sense with an intensity that is "galvanizing" for want of another word. These inspirational people become our legends sometimes for good, sometimes not so good. Think of the population of billions and the single names we can call up in an instant who were inspirational, who were no more than the product of events.
In the meantime, the rest of us simply try to keep a vision alive. Waiting for that day. . .
All the time the positive reward of life is sitting in the chair right next to us. Someone to share it all with. Never lose sight of this!
...but not impossible
They teach history, but not historical thinking.
They teach mathematics, but not mathematical thinking. And so on.
It is hard to create new thinkers in this context..it is hard but not impossible.